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No taxation without representation

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The people who live there can move to a state if they want to vote. Talk about taxation without representation, The District of Columbia is funded by Congress. If Congress would stop taxing you to fund D.C. there would be no residents in D.C. just government workers.
.havn't they already changed this,they created a new district out west somewhere and gave d.c. a voting member in congress ????
No. You need to read a little before you write because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
PS. That same thinking would have the colonists move back to England if they wanted a say in their government -- is that how you feel? The English government was spending a lot on their colonies here...just think, if they had stopped taxing us, all we would have here would be the Indians.
No, that proposal failed to pass through the Senate in February. The deal was DC gets a vote in the House and Utah would get a new DC.

What do the people get for their costs in maintaining a non productive plantation in the Seat of Government? D.C. was intended to be the Seat of Government, not a place to live. If the government has more land than they need, the excess should be ceded back to the state from whince it came. Otherwise make it all a national park, move the people out.

Nice try.
Didn't think so.
PS. Not everyone who lives in DC works for the federal government, most do not. Your proposal would mean the forced relocation of almost 600,000 people and the destruction of a vibrant city.
as much as you might not like it,jbodine is right,d.c. was never meant to be a place to live,so they never set up a seat in congress for them.all d.c. residents are directly or indirectly employed by the goverment...isnt there some provisions set up so they can vote in either virginia or maryland..to many people see this as a democratic power grab.and i would settle for a slow relocation, last time i went through there the city looked like a slum,at least the part's down by interstate ''95''
Did either or you read my post? Do you know anything about DC?

No, not everyone is employed, indirectly or directly by the government. And if you read my post, I wrote that the District was set up to not be part of a state, nowhere in the Constitution does it say people aren't supposed to live here. And no, we cannot vote in MD or VA.
PS. NJ looks like a slum from the Turnpike but it isn't. The whole point of giving Utah a CD was to offset the one DC would get (and eliminates the 'Democratic power grab' argument). Reread my post and see that I am not advocating any solution just pointing out there is a problem.

I'd like to see you try to move people who have been here for generations.

Yes, I read your post and nowhere in the Constitution does it say people are supposed to live there. Did you read my first comment, I know lots of people live there and do not work for the Federal Government. Some do work for city government. Some don't work at all.

Do you know how the population arrived there and never left.

There was a population here before it became the nation's capital. There are many people who live here who work but not for the locak or federal government. District residents could vote in either Maryland or Virginian elections until the Organic Act of 1801.

I do know that while the people who wrote the Constitution did not want every point of view or opinion to be represented, they expected voters to be.

This is not true, originally only men of property could vote. Reason being they were the ones taxed. Since then everyone votes and they vote their wants, especially when they don't have to pay for it.

Like you say, a solution, no actually a solution is not required, you are not fenced in. If you want the vote, move. Hell, half the people don't vote anyway.

Your majority population came as the slaves were released as Union soldiers raped and pillaged the Confederacy. They were dependent as they had nothing and congregated to the Government and are still largely dependent and have never left. Those who had the will, accepted their new freedom and moved. And no, I'm not saying it was easy for them. Self reliance is difficult. Dependency is lazy.

Why do you live there? Why do you accept dependency? Just curious.

i'd have to go back through the whole thing to find out why it was stopped ,it seemed like a compromise that everybody liked unless of course with a completely dem. congress they are going to give d.c. a rep without a counter-balence from utah
Ok, I am done. Your premise that everyone who lives in DC is in 'dependency" is ridiculous. We pay federal taxes (and 'state' taxes, too).


You deny dependency, then what happens to your city if Congress stops funding it? I never said everyone. I don't deny you pay federal taxes. What state taxes to what state. Seems to me if you pay state taxes, concurrent jurisdictions are at work which would be unconstitutional as the district is exclusive. Maybe you mean city taxes.
We pay income taxes to the District of Columbia, which pay for the bulk of the city's budget. I wrote 'state' taxes. Congress' appropriations for DC account for less than .5 percent of the city budget.
http://cfo.dc.gov/cfo/cwp/view,a,1324,q,610984.asp

Seeing as we pay the highest per capital federal taxes in the country and given the limited amount of money Congress appropriates, I would argue that states like Alaska and Wyomingm both of which receive large sums of money from the federal government are more dependent. I have read interviews from Alaskans that if the federal government were to stop funding that state their economy would collapse.

Re:government employees, most live in Maryland or Virginia. The population is almost 600,000 but during the week that number swells to over 5.3 million.

Bottom line: our federal tax dollars flow outward not inward. To say that we are dependent on anyone is misleading and shows very little understanding of the area. Or a bias against it. Or both.

I don't think any federal tax $s should be sent to any state. And the federal government should not exercise so much control over the land masses in the several states, especially Alaska and the western states.

If you like living there and enjoy your tax rates to support your city, live there. There is a cost to liberalism. We do still have the right to vote with our feet.

Thanks for the conversation, I did learn a few facts about the District I did not know.

Happy 4th and be well.

So I don't deserve Congressional representation because I am a liberal? How is that constitutional?

Sorry, found this and thught I would provide it.

Check this out you may find this interesting.

Federal Taxing and Spending Benefit Some States, Leave Others Paying Bill

The District of Columbia’s Special Status
Though not comparable as a state, the District of Columbia is by far the biggest beneficiary of federal spending: In 2003 it received $6.59 in federal outlays for every dollar its taxpayers sent to the U.S. Treasury.

“The District’s share of federal largesse amounted to $60,109 for every man, woman and child,” said Moody. “That’s more than ten times the national average.”

If the District lost this funding, what would happen to your city?


The District is not a State, it is the Seat of the Government, that is constitutional. You want representation, live in a State.

A better chart would show what that money was spent on. Most of it goes to the maintaining and security federal facilities. Very little goes to the city budget nor to the city's upkeep. So, the question really is what would happen to the feds if they stopped funding the city?

I know it is not a state, it's a dictrict. You said 'liberalism has costs.' In my original post I said I am not sure what the answer is. We had a revolution to get representation. We could do something to end this problem.

You didn't read my post.
Where is the link to that chart? I will gladly look at it.
uh oh ''we'' should do something to endthis problem,that sounds a awful lot like you all ready have something brewing and your looking for the right time to do itlike i said i smell a ''liberal fascist'' power grab and boy does it stink...
You got me. My cabal of 'liberal fascists' met on Saturday for our annual meeting. It takes an early bird to get past someone as quick as you.
These idiots obviously think Uncle Sam whips out the checkbook and writes one to each citizen. They forget the costs of security, the White House, Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson Memorial, Smithsonian, etc. Yes, it seems the "patriots" are against our seat of Goverment. Dumbasses as always.

Hey, dips**t, give me the numbers. You are so full of it, it's coming out your mouth. Lay some facts on the table or STFU.

Dancing Bear you piece of S**t, when you block comment on your blog, you forfeit the right to be considered anywhere else.

randonrambling lives there and has issues, I respect her right to present them and advocate her concerns. She feels disinfranchised and does not advocate a solution, but would like one. I respect her for that. I disagree, but I admire her for laying it on the table and accepting debate.

again why did they let you out of cuba..your understanding of the tax system amazes me.

No, I just shut you the fuck up because you bother me with your stupidity. I am so sorry the big Tea Parties were such a failure over the weekend.

I was born in DC 49 years ago douche. I lived there until I was 10 and then moved to New York.

I also guarantee that I pay way more taxes than you do. Did you and Ken and Paulette get together for a special cook out for the holiday. Perhaps some tea- bagging?

Hey, sodomite, you are the tea bagger. Who did you bugger over the weekend?

I see you did not provide the numbers to back up your claims, just a pontificator/syncophant looking for validation.

Ken can't hear you, he's too busy harassing 20 year old girls.

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Hey everyone, randomrambling has a new thread up on this subject. How about being current and read her new post and discuss it there. Just say'n
I buggered your mama Jethro. She was lousy. I backdoored her.
Are you proud of yourself. Is that all you got. I bet you pay more taxes than I so also. I sacrifice my standard of living so as not to fund tyranny. What are you doing to protect Liberty.

I don't take deductions that I could take because I am funding those roads you earn your living on. Because I give shit about more than myself. You should try it sometime. I don't live large. I just donate more to charity. Not lying, thieving churches either. Real charities that help real people.

Go clean your gun Jethro.

that he doesn't even relize how petty that remark was is amazing.
interesting word harassment,whats funny is that kirk and his brood had to stalk me over a dozen different blogs to get all that info.so should i applaud a job well done or just be amazed by his creepiness????????????
Stupid does as stupid is. Why are you so unpatriotic. Paying taxes funds tyranny, you know, paying away your liberty. At least you have representatives who agree with you. They work tirelessly take what little liberty you have left away from you.
And he calls me stupid.
"Taxes are the price you pay for a civilized society," Oliver Wendell Holmes, Supreme Court Justice appointed by Teddy Roosevelt.

You know you can always move someplace where they don't pay taxes or have any of the amenities our taxes fund.
that's being worked on,it seems nasa is finding new planets every day,but then again liberals will come and demand universal this or that..

No, my taxes are paying for those roads you make your living driving on. They're paying for those Senators that support your second Amendment rights and your first amendment rights.I think we paid 850 billion to bomb Iraq and God knows how much more to rebuild it and bomb it again. Then we had the Bush Wall Street bail out. 700 Billion for that fine piece of work.

Thank God Barack just wants our sick kids to get better and our unemployed people to work. The work they will be doing is on those roads we are going to build and repair so you can make a living driving on them. And then not paying taxes on.

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Great post, RR. I would hypothesize that residents would rather have representation than be "free" of taxes. Sheesh I lived off of close to minimum wage (with no health insurance) my whole working life until 2003 and I never complained about taxes.

It's a small price to pay compared to some places - the price they paid for roads in Afghanistan was to be beholden to the guy who built them - Osama Bin Laden.

Tell me where in the Constitution is says the Federal Government has the Power to tax me to give health care services to you. We will not even get into how much I pay for the roads you use. Or the diversion on my road taxes to pay for your public transportation.

Taxes are the grease on the pole to tyranny. Do a little review of that little thing called the Revolutionary War.

Perhaps the concept of living in a Third World Country appeals to you. A Patriot takes care of the country he loves. Tyranny? What, versus Anarchy?

We don't live in either. We live in a Democratic Republic.

people don't mind paying taxes when they get something back out of it,but always giving money to the candyman and getting nothing in return except whining is what pisses people off.again there was a compromise all set up then obama got in and gave the dems full control and the deal fell apart.i smell a rat a big democratic rat.

WE DO NOT live in a republic. We have a TYRANT that has 32 friggin CZARS.

When the HELL do people WAKE THE FK UP.

Senior Democrat Says Obama's Czars Unconstitutional

by Ken Klukowski

Last week President Obama appointed yet another "czar" with massive
government power, answering only to him
. Even before this latest
appointment, the top-ranking Democrat in the Senate wrote President Obama a letter saying that these czars are unconstitutional. President Obama's "czar strategy" is an unprecedented power grab centralizing authority in the White
House, outside congressional oversight and in violation of the Constitution.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/browse_thread/thread/e2c19b818066679e/17521b529cedb421?lnk=raot

Ken, read that, up above^
i've seen it and it scares me,he;s doubled the size of the excutive branch in less then 6 monthes.i didn't know even his own party was reacting to his power grab

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