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        <title>I think I understand the FISA bill. Do I?</title>   
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        <div id="ci1c"> By way of disclosure, I am something of a Civil
Liberties fanatic, and am firmly convinced that Obama did the wrong
thing on retroactive immunity and am angry about that. Also, I haven&#39;t
trusted George W. Bush since the first 10 secs I saw him speaking. He
reminded me of the arrogant lying bullies who used to break my bones
when I was a youngster. He set off all my alarms just by the way he
talked and moved.Obama was something like my 4th choice in the
primaries, ahead of Clinton.<br /><br />So, I&#39;m not an apologist for any of
the current crop of politicians, and not at all well disposed towards
anything that looks to weaken the rule of law, the Constitution or our
civil liberties. All that being said, the brouhaha over FISA and the
accusations of cowardice, lack of principles and political opportunism
has started sounding a whole lot more like heat than the light of
reason. A recent claim claim by LawrenceLessig, a Civil Libertarian
with a background in law made me stop and think.<br /><br /><blockquote id="t.461"><p> [Obama&#39;s] vote for the FISA compromise is thus not a vote for immunity. It is a vote that reflects the judgment that <strong id="t.462">securing the amendments to FISA was more important than denying immunity to telcos</strong>.
Whether you agree with that judgment or not, we should at least
recognize (hysteria notwithstanding) what kind of judgment it was. The
amendments to FISA were good. Getting a regime that requires the
executive to obey the law is important. </p></blockquote> People on the
left, people like Glenn Greenwald, Jonathan Turley, Russ Feingold and
Chris Dodd keep painting the recent FISA as a false compromise, a
capitulation to Bush, and a blot on the fourth amendment. So why do
Lessig and former Constitutional Law lecturer Obama say that it is
important? Who is right?<br /><br />Well either you can pick your authority
figure and believe them—you pays your money and you takes your
chances—or roll up your sleeves, wade into the bill and make your own
decision. I never was the &quot;argument from authority&quot; type. So why should
I pick one camp or the other?<br /><br />I&#39;ve been working on this posting
for more than a week, and I think I have a handle on a line or
reasoning that shows that the FISA amendment makes sense and may very
well be a &quot;Good Thing™&quot;. I don&#39;t find the argument compelling, but I
think that it really deserves to be fully explicated, discussed and
weighed, and as of yet, I think that I can respect and understand
anyone who feels either that it outweighs the argument that FISA as a
whole or as amended is so damaging to civil liberties and the rule of
law that it outweighs the benefit or the other way around. I would
really like to hear people who are passionate on both sides after they
understand this reasoning.<br /><br /><h2 id="t.468">Assumptions</h2> There are
a number of assumptions regarding the level of protection that should
be afforded communications depending upon the people and jurisdictions
involved. In terms of the three major combinations, the following
breakdown seems to by the default assumption:<br /><br />  <ol id="mtwb"><li id="t.4610"> Spying on foreign/foreign communications is OK. </li><li id="t.4611"> Intercepting US/US communications requires a warrant or constitutional equivalent. </li><li id="t.4612"> Intercepting US/foreign communications is the purview of the FISA court and law</li><li id="r1ag">The location where the spying is done is not as important as who is communicating.<br /></li></ol> In the next couple of subsections, I will lay out each of these, at least briefly.<br /><br /><h3 id="zh-d">1. Spying is OK</h3>
The assumption here is that it is legitimate for the foreign
intelligence services to spy on foreigners when that is in keeping wit
their mission, our relationship to the foreign nations involved, so
long as they do so in accordance with their regulations and charter.
Such spying is conducted beyond the jurisdiction of the United States
and beyond the guarantees of our constitution. Thus &quot;foreign/foreign&quot;
communication, by which I mean communications between two people,
neither of whom is a &quot;US person&quot;, should not be controlled by US
warrants or restricted by Constitutional rights. International laws may
apply.<br /><br />It is certainly possible to disbelieve in spying, but we
have done foreign spying for a very long time and the foreign
intelligence services have always been unencumbered by the US courts
and Constitution, so long as they were operating outside the US and the
subjects were foreigners.<br /><br /><h3 id="usw2">2. US/US requires a warrant<br /></h3>
the other hand, spying on Americans in America requires a court order.
In essence, whenever the US Constitution is the ruling law, Warrants
are required, otherwise it is &quot;unreasonable search and seizure&quot;. The
simplest version of this is communications between two US citizens, in
the US, but resident aliens in the US are by precedent also protected
by the Constitution. The term &quot;US persons&quot; is used in many laws as a
shorthand for US citizens, US resident aliens and US corporations,
since corporations are treated as people in US law at present.<br /><br />This
is pretty much a fundamental right in America, and the Constitution
specifically limits the power of the government within its
jurisdiction. There are certain questions about where the Constitution
holds sway, but it at the very least applies within the sovereign
jurisdiction of the United States and in all dealings between the US
government and US citizens regardless of location.<br /><br /><h3 id="p_1u">3. FISA controls US/foreign surveillance<br /></h3>
One may think, either as a civil libertarian or as a proponent of a
strong federal executive that FISA in principle is bad law, but since
1978 in order to balance the government&#39;s legitimate foreign
intelligence interests with the need for judicial oversight, FISA has
been the law. It&#39;s basic charter is to control spying that occurs
between US persons and foreign powers or agents. The simple Wikipedia
summary of FISA is pretty much in keeping with my understanding and
reads as follows:<br /><br /><blockquote id="on5t"><p>The act was created to
provide Judicial and congressional oversight of the government&#39;s covert
surveillance activities of foreign entities and individuals in the
United States, while maintaining the secrecy needed to protect national
security. It allowed warrantless surveillance within the United States
for up to one year unless the &quot;surveillance will acquire the contents
of any communication to which a United States person is a party&quot;. If a
United States person is involved, judicial authorization was required
within 72 hours <em id="on5t0">after</em> surveillance begins.<br /></p></blockquote>
In short, if no US person is involved, even if the surveillance occurs
within the US, assumption #1 applies, if a foreign agent power and US
person are both involved, a FISA order is required. If not foreign
agents or powers are involved, assumption #2 rules. FISA arose because
the line between all-foreign and all-US can be blurry. FISA adds
assumption #3 as the middle ground.<br /><br /><h3 id="tnfa">4. Location is now unimportant</h3>
When the mindset behind FISA was formed, location was pretty much
static. If you were spying on two foreigners who were outside the US,
you pretty much could be assumed to be outside the US. If you were
listening to the conversation between two Americans who were inside the
US, then you were probably there, too.<br /><br />Today, this is less true.
Main communications lines are often centered in the US and
communications between foreign locations can often be picked up in the
US. Similarly, Internal US communications may very well travel outside
the US <em id="q41o">en route</em>. It is generally assumed that this shouldn&#39;t change the situation <em id="n0bi">vis a vis</em>
rights and Constitutional protections. The US government shouldn&#39;t be
able to spy on Americans who are in America just because the act of
spying occurs outside the US. Likewise, if traffic between known
terrorists in Pakistan and agents in Spain happens to flow through the
United States, the CIA should be as free to spy on it would have been
if the bits/electrons had never crossed over our borders.<br /><br />This
is at the heart of the &quot;FISA must be modernized to keep up with
technology&quot; argument that you often hear. And generally, I think that
it is correct. The rights and protections should be determined
primarily by who the actors are and who the subjects are, and
secondarily where the subjects are located. Anything done in the US or
to Americans must take the Constitution into account. From an ethical
perspective we might like to say that, just for instance, all people
are created equal and are naturally endowed with certain unalienable
rights, and so the US Constitution should protect all of humanity.
There are,however, myriad practical and political problems with that
view.<br /><br /><h2 id="mm_b">What is &quot;private&quot;?<br /></h2> Beyond jurisdiction,
the other thing that determines the legality of information gathering
is the question of privacy. Gathering public information is merely
being well informed. Gathering private information is spying, or at
least searching. And so the notion of an &quot;expectation of privacy&quot;
enters the picture.<br /><br /></div> <div id="mkzi0">Current law holds
that while the content of electronic communications such as phone calls
and emails is generally protected (where US Constitutional and other
protections apply), the addressing of the messages are not. The court
generally has held that the average citizen has no expectation of
privacy regarding the numbers called, but does regarding what is said.
Likewise, the address and return address on a postal envelope along
with the postmark information is not protected, but the contents is.
Thus tapping a line—listening in or recording phone calls­­—qualifies
as search and seizure and requires a warrant. Recording the numbers
that are connected does not.<br /><br />In the purely telephonic days, the
devices that were used in this area were &quot;pen registers&quot; and &quot;trap and
trace devices&quot;. Pen registers recorded the numbers that a phone dialed.
Trap and trace devices could determine and record the numbers from
which incoming calls originated. These concepts have been adapted to
digital messaging and networking. Thus, capturing and recording the
addresses that computer traffic flows through is generally held not to
require a warrant, but examining and recording the content of the
messages does. <img alt="Example postcard" height="308" id="t.4618" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2662466668_5701e2dd14.jpg?v=0" style="float: right; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px;" width="407" /><br /><br />This
brings us to the illustration of the post card that accompanies this
article. Most Internet traffic isn&#39;t encrypted, and the address and
data portion of a network packet are the same sort of things. In many
ways, it is as if mail was accomplished with postcards rather than
envelops. Imagine if you will, that the law applied to the information
on a postcard the way it does to the Internet or phone call. Without a
warrant, it is OK to capture and record the address and return address
and the postmark information, but not the text.<br /><br />Further, let us
apply our assumptions above. If the sender and recipient are foreign
nationals, operating outside the US, then it is OK for the intelligence
services to read the whole postcard, but if either the sender or
recipient is a &quot;United States-person&quot;, then a warrant or other
authorization is required. One can envision a peculiar device that
covers the left half of the card or the handwriting on the left,
exposing the printed return address, scans the address and postmark and
determines the identity and location of the sender and recipient,
compares that with suitable records and makes the decision as to
whether the hidden portion can lawfully be photographed and recorded.<br /><br />Mr.
Kringle is a native of the North Pole, territory claimed by the
Russians. Records show that the postcard arrived on a plane from
Canada, but the postmark shows that before that it was mailed within
the US. Young Mr. Dough is a US-person, possibly a US citizen. Before
such phrases as &quot;keeping a little list&quot; and &quot;fellow travelers&quot; can be
used as evidence that Mr. Kringle is a &quot;Red&quot;, Mr Dough&#39;s rights must be
accounted for.<br /><br />My fanciful steam punk postcard scanner is
actually not all that fanciful. It is rather analogous to the sort of
software you would need to use in order to capture email. Email
messages are just streams of bytes organized into packets and messages
according to a whole hierarchy of standards and protocols, and the way
that the addresses are encoded is not particularly different from the
way that the message content is. In the outer couple of protocol
layers,IP addresses are encoded in binary, but the to and from fields
of an email message are encoded in exactly the same sort of human
readable text as the body of the message. The most simple minded search
programs that you could use to search an email stream could readily
scan unprotected addresses and protected contents with equal ease.<br /><br />To
implement the intent of our laws, that foreign/foreign messages can be
scanned, searched and recorded by our intelligence services, without a
warrant or the involvement of the courts, but insure that US/US email
requires an ordinary warrant and US/foreign-agent email can be handled
in accordance with the FISA law, a moderately intelligent and carefully
crafted program needs to be used.<br /><br />Basically such a device would
consist of a &quot;pen register&quot; to determine who the message addressed to
and a &quot;trap and trace device&quot; to determine where it came from. An
analyst or analytical engine of some sort then determines if at least
one &quot;US person&quot; is involved, and if any foreign agents are involved. If
both are &quot;United States Persons&quot;, then a list of applicable warrants
determines if the contents can be saved or analyzed. If no US person is
involved, then the message can be freely analyzed. If a mixture, then a
check for the FISA process must be made.<br /><br />If such a system for
scanning the Internet trunk feeds that we have access to is going to be
built, then it must be very carefully controlled. The software wants to
be carefully designed and implemented, and the people operating and
maintaining it must be carefully vetted. The policies and procedures
for authorizing and monitoring its use must be carefully written and
and enforced with appropriate oversight.<br /><br />Personally, if I were
with the federal government, my approach would be to split the trunk
and send the duplicate feed into a highly secured room, control who had
access to that room, staff it only with people who had serious
background checks, make sure there was a field manual and oversight.
Given their charter, the combination of technology and surveillance
would suggest that the NSA be the agency chartered to hand this. I&#39;m
thinking it would look a whole lot like the whistle-blower described.
The question is can the feds be trusted? Given my dedication to civil
liberties and my view on the lawless behavior of the current
administration, I&#39;d have to say, no, not in the current instant. But
that doesn&#39;t mean that no US Attorney General and no National Security
Adviser can be trusted. It just means that we know that they can&#39;t all
be. We have illustrative examples.<br /><br />Now a bunch of Senators,
Representatives and the odd Presidential candidate probably have more
faith in the notion that the federal government can be structured and
run in a way that is trustworthy. In the end, most of us trust
ourselves and some fraction of folks like us. So, with that in mind,
how does the recently passed FISA amendment stand up?<br /><br /><h2 id="xauf">What <em id="xauf0">is</em> the new FISA?</h2>
While working on this posting I&#39;ve read Title I of the recently passed
FISA amendment bill a couple of times and tried to chart out the
differences. While doing so, I came across someone who has done the
same thing and published his completed flow chart of the original and
amended FISA, skipping the short-live Protect America Act. Let&#39;s have a
look at his analysis along with the actual text. The original article
can be found on Wes Walls&#39; blog <a href="http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/politics/understanding-recent-changes-to-fisa-a-visual-guide-flowchart/" id="pavj" target="_blank" title="Ketchup and Caviar">Ketchup and Caviar</a>. Here are the two flowcharts:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif" id="kmri" target="_blank"><img id="e2rd" src="http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa1.gif" style="margin: 1em 1em 0pt 0pt; width: 45%; float: left;" /></a> <div id="n0yq" style="padding: 1em 0pt; text-align: left;"><a href="http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif" id="i_6g" target="_blank"><img id="i_6g0" src="http://www.ketchupandcaviar.com/wp-content/uploads/images/fisa2.gif" style="width: 50%;" /></a></div> In his analysis, Wes says:<br /><br /><blockquote id="thxo0"><p>&quot;The
focus of change is the bolded red line marked “U.S. or non-U.S. Persons
Located Inside or Outside the U.S.” Currently a warrant is required in
this case. Notice the changes involving the bolded blue lines and text
in the [second] chart. What New FISA does is create a special case
involving our bold red line in the first chart. It provides a way for
the executive branch to engage in warrantless (but “certified”)
wiretapping of wire and cable (including email and phone) of any
Foreign-to-U.S. communications collected inside the U.S. You’ll see the
new set of criteria for certification in this special case. It does add
new protections for U.S. Persons (citizens or greencard holders) by
requiring the typical FISA warrant in all cases in which they are
targeted.&quot;<br /></p></blockquote> I would have worded the change differently.
What I would note is that the upper middle section of the flowchart
changes from being based on location (the one rounded corner box and
the three red lines) to a simpler pair of boxes based on whether any US
person is involved. As a result, there is now a relatively simple three
way decision regarding foreign surveillance. (Note that there is a
fourth case, the &quot;normal&quot; one: If no foreign agents are involved,
surveillance requires an ordinary warrant.)<br /><br /><ol id="sfi:0"><li id="sfi:1">If any US person is involved or the communications is domestic, a FISA warrant is needed</li><li id="sfi:2">If
no US person is involved, the communications is email or over cables, a
special &quot;Certification of Mass Acquisition&quot; is available.</li><li id="sfi:3">Otherwise, no warrant is needed when no US person is involved.</li></ol>
Paths 1 and 3 represent the simple cases. One no US persons are
involved and the communications is foreign, the foreign intelligence
services are unencumbered by US law (#1). Generally, if the foreign
intelligence services want to spy on Americans or in America, then a
FISA warrant is needed (#3). One exception for this is allowed. Spying
on electronic communications of non-US persons outside the US by means
of surveillance inside the US can be done under the new &quot;Mass
Acquisition&quot; process. Note that this is specifically the case where
communications that is fair game to our spies is embedded in a system
that is known to contain protected US communications that is not
targeted. (This is pretty much my case where the combination of a pen
register, trap and trace device and analytical engine can be used to
separate the two.)<br /><br />And that brings us to the blue box in the bottom right. Here&#39;s what Wes has there:<br /><br /><ol id="f97f" style="color: rgb(7, 55, 99);"><li id="f97f0"><span id="f97f1" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);">Is the target reasonably believed to be located outside the United States?</span></li><li id="f97f2"><span id="f97f3" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);">Is the purpose of the targeting to acquire foreign intelligence information?</span></li><li id="f97f4"><span id="f97f5" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);">In
the particular case, will &quot;minimization procedures&quot; adequately balance
the privacy of US citizens against foreign intelligence needs?</span></li><li id="f97f6"><span id="f97f7" style="background-color: rgb(207, 226, 243);">Will there be a good-faith effort to avoid domestic targets and domestic communications? Will other limitations be observed? </span></li></ol> I&#39;ve removed the struck out text and the pointer to <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/guide-to-new-fisa-bill-part-ii.html" id="jp4p" target="_blank" title="part II">part II</a> of <span class="rss:item" id="ra0s">David Kris&#39;s </span>&quot;A Guide to the New FISA Bill&quot;. I will address these shortly.<br /><br />Questions
#1 and #2 basically reiterate the decisions that got us through the
flow chart to Mass Acquisition. The focus in the new act has turned
away from requiring a &quot;foreign power or agent thereof&quot; to non-US
persons outside the US (question #1). This is actually a good thing for
the civil liberties of US persons, since as previously defined, a
foreign agent could be a US person working for a foreign power. The
question now is just &quot;US person or non-US person&quot;. Without the struck
out text, question #2 is basically a restatement of part of the logic
that got us to this section. It becomes &quot;Is the purpose of targeting
[foreign communications between non-US persons believed to be outside
the US by capturing traffic within the US] to target foreign
intelligence information?&quot;<br /><br />With Question #3 we get to the heart
of the issue, the &quot;minimization procedures&quot;. These are spelled out in
the bill in section 702 e, as follows (via <a href="http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h6304/text" id="nnfe" target="_blank" title="OpenCongress">OpenCongress</a>):<br /><br /><blockquote id="n6ca"><p> (e) Minimization Procedures- <ol id="sg2j"><li id="sg2j0">REQUIREMENT
TO ADOPT- The Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of
National Intelligence, shall adopt minimization procedures that meet
the definition of minimization procedures under section 101(h) or
301(4), as appropriate, for acquisitions authorized under subsection
(a).</li><li id="sg2j1"> JUDICIAL REVIEW- The minimization procedures
adopted in accordance with paragraph (1) shall be subject to judicial
review pursuant to subsection (i). </li></ol> </p></blockquote>  Section &quot;301(4)&quot;, mentioned in #1 refers to physical surveillance, so the relevant section is 101(h), as follows (via <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.06304:" id="um-i" target="_blank" title="Thomas">Thomas</a>):<br /><br /><blockquote id="a88w"><p><span class="enumbell" id="ugph3">(h)</span> <span class="ptext-1" id="ugph4">“Minimization procedures”, with respect to electronic surveillance, means— </span> <ol id="f15w"><li id="f15w0"><a id="ugph6" name="h_1"></a> <span class="ptext-2" id="ugph8">specific
procedures, which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are
reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the
particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition and retention, and
prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information
concerning unconsenting United States persons consistent with the need
of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign
intelligence information; </span>  </li><li id="f15w1"><a id="ugph10" name="h_2"></a><span class="ptext-2" id="ugph12">procedures
that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not
foreign intelligence information, as defined in subsection (e)(1) of
this section, shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any
United States person, without such person’s consent, unless such
person’s identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence
information or assess its importance; </span>  </li><li id="f15w2"><a id="ugph14" name="h_3"></a><span class="ptext-2" id="ugph15">notwithstanding
paragraphs (1) and (2), procedures that allow for the retention and
dissemination of information that is evidence of a crime which has
been, is being, or is about to be committed and that is to be retained
or disseminated for law enforcement purposes; and </span>  <a id="ugph16" name="h_4"></a></li><li id="jukx"><span class="ptext-2" id="jukx0">notwithstanding paragraphs (1), (2), and (3), with respect to any electronic surveillance approved pursuant to section  <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html" id="ugph19">1802</a> <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001802----000-.html#a" id="ugph20">(a)</a>
of this title, procedures that require that no contents of any
communication to which a United States person is a party shall be
disclosed, disseminated, or used for any purpose or retained for longer
than 72 hours unless a court order under section <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html" id="ugph21">1805</a>
of this title is obtained or unless the Attorney General determines
that the information indicates a threat of death or serious bodily harm
to any person. </span></li></ol> </p></blockquote> In essence, this is the
requirements document for the pen register, trap and trace device and
analytical engine device. Where as question #3 is &quot;will the procedures
be adequate?&quot;, question #4 is &quot;will a good-faith effort be made to see
that they are applied?&quot; Two changes in the law would seem to attempt to
speak to this question.<br /><br />First, throughout the document, things that used to be the purview of the Attorney General or &quot;the Attorney General <em id="l:18">or</em> the National Security Advisor&quot; are now &quot;the Attorney General <em id="iyej">and</em>
the National Security Advisor&quot; or at least &quot;the Attorney General with
the advice of the National Security Advisor&quot;. This doesn&#39;t guarantee
the good intentions or competence of the two men, but it at least
requires the collusion of two Senate approved officials, and one can
see why the Senators might want that.<br /><br />Second, the bill
explicitly states in a number of places that the actions taken &quot;shall
be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.&quot; This may seem frivolous. After all,
all US laws must be consistent with the Constitution, and no federal
action may legitimately violate Constitutionally protected rights.
However, the inclusion of this specific proviso in the FISA law means
that violations of the 4th amendment in carrying out these procedures
is not only a violation of Constitutionally protected rights, with all
that entails, but a federal crime under this statute as well. This
provides an additional means of prosecution.<br /><br />It remains to be
seen whether these changes will have the beneficial effects that the
Senators and others who support it hope, but I begin to see why they
might think that this is an important improvement to the FISA laws. It<br /><br /><ul id="bhez"><li id="bhez0">brings all foreign surveillance under this law</li><li id="bhez1">aligns the law with the jurisdiction and protections of the Constitution</li><li id="bhez2">requires explicit procedures be defined for winnowing protected US communications from unprotected foreign communications</li><li id="bhez3">makes the AG and NSA jointly responsible</li><li id="bhez4">requires review</li><li id="bhez5">makes explicit the criminal nature of stepping outside this law or the Constitution</li><li id="bhez6">increases senate oversight</li><li id="bhez7">makes explicit the grounds for criminal proceedings</li></ul>
While it may be argued that this law can be abused, that the government
can use it as cover for domestic surveillance, the law explicitly
addresses that. The law makes it a crime to target any of the following
(from section 702(b)):<br /><br /><blockquote id="p2d:"><p> (b) Limitations- An acquisition authorized under subsection (a)-- <ol id="p2d:0"><li id="p2d:1">may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States; 	 </li><li id="p2d:2"><em id="p2d:3">may
not intentionally target a person reasonably believed to be located
outside the United States if the purpose of such acquisition is to
target a particular, known person reasonably believed to be in the
United States;</em> 	 </li><li id="p2d:4">may not intentionally target a United States person reasonably believed to be located outside the United States; 	 </li><li id="p2d:5">may
not intentionally acquire any communication as to which the sender and
all intended recipients are known at the time of the acquisition to be
located in the United States; and </li><li id="p2d:6">shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States. </li></ol></p></blockquote>  Making it a crime doesn&#39;t stop it, but it does give us a handle for dealing with it.<br /><br />In
the end, I am left wondering how you balance the Constitutional
protections of US persons and anyone in the US and allow the foreign
intelligence services to spy on foreigners overseas given the mingling
of foreign and domestic traffic and the fact that electronic
communications is more like postcards than letters in envelopes other
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        <title>TAKE ACTION NOW VS. GAS PRICES</title>   
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<p>A partisan video to be sure but it speaks to facts that Congress chooses to ignore.&#160; The time has come to face the facts and take action now.</p>
<p>What to do this very minute?&#160; Go to the links below and sign the petitions.&#160; Set aside party loyalty and do what is in the best interests of this nation.&#160; America needs to utilize our own natural resources rather than taking those of the rest of the world and paying a heavy price in the process.&#160; Note that all that money we pay out does not create jobs in this country which would change instantly if we drill here at home.</p>
<p>Go to these links and take action:</p>
<p><strong>American Solutions Petition:<br /></strong><a href="http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659">http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659</a></p>
<p><strong>Grassfire.org Petition:<br /></strong><a href="http://www.grassfire.org/108/petition.asp?PID=17354449&amp;NID=1">http://www.grassfire.org/108/petition.asp?PID=17354449&amp;NID=1</a></p>
<p><strong>Senator McConnell Petition:<br /></strong><a href="http://www.teammitch.com/site/c.lsKWL9PKLpF/b.4333913/k.12D8/Support_the_Gas_Price_Reduction_Act_of_2008/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWL9PKLpF&amp;b=4333913&amp;en=juINK1NOJkIRJ7PULcKPJfNUKkIWJ8PQLkK5KlO6E">http://www.teammitch.com/site/c.lsKWL9PKLpF/b.4333913/k.12D8/Support_the_Gas_Price_Reduction_Act_of_2008/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWL9PKLpF&amp;b=4333913&amp;en=juINK1NOJkIRJ7PULcKPJfNUKkIWJ8PQLkK5KlO6E</a></p>
<p>Let your voice be heard NOW.&#160; Waiting only hurts the nation even more and costs you and I money we cannot afford to spend on gasoline.</p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Israel first Neo-Cons Pushing Us into World War III</title>   
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        <published>2008-07-19T02:04:19Z</published>
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        <p>They covered up 9/11, they lied about Iraq&#39;s WMD&#39;s and now they are lying about Iran, the real enemy is not Iran but the enemy within Neo-Cons who so far have succesfully culturally and politically subverted this nation to do Israeli&#39;s bidding against their enemies and for the cause of NWO integration.<br />The mantra for war is resounding all over conservative radio and Fox propaganda networks. Salem Communications Radio network all Jewish radio talk show host are hard at work propagating for war against Iran. Most host are Israeli first, Jewish first decent and culture including Micheal Medved, Mike Gallagher, Dennis Prager, indeed Jewish elitist are permanent revolutionary chamilions, covert subversives&#160; who change their political affiliation when it&#39;s expedient to do so. This nation has being hi-jacked by Israeli first loyalist hell bent on desimating the Arab world and setting the world on fire.</p>
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is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote
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unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany.&quot;<strong> Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler</strong></span></div>
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tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion.
Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom
they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less
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        <title>The Defense Rests (Its Brains on a Shelf Somewhere)</title>   
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        <published>2008-07-18T18:37:06Z</published>
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        <p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/07/16/to-protest-gitmo-punishment-covington-parnter-drops-trou-in-yemen/">There is an article out there about some lawyer</a>, representing the&#160;terrorists in Guantanamo,&#160;who dropped his pants at a press conference in Yemen to demonstrate how humiliated and tormented the poor dears must feel.&#160; </p>
<p>Color me unimpressed.&#160; While I certainly understand the point he was trying to make to a Yemeni audience (&quot;for a Muslim man that is a thousand times more cutting than a Westerner can imagine.&quot;), I can&#39;t help feeling like he&#39;s missing the point.</p>
<p>His statement about &quot;corn-fed&quot; American soldiers doesn&#39;t help me feel any better about granting those terrorist sons-of-bitches access to our slow, ineffective courts.&#160; Prosecution didn&#39;t work in the 1990s, it won&#39;t work now.</p>
<p>A number of years ago, we had the case of Yaser Hamdi, born in the US and caught in Afghanistan aiding the Taliban.&#160; Denied&#160;counsel, he was one of the first cases that probed the status of &quot;enemy combatants&quot; in our legal system.&#160; The Norfolk District Court Judge, one Robert Doumar, decided that because Hamdi was still a US citizen <em>de iure </em>(and because of many other considerations that I am not qualified to speak on) the US government&#39;s detention of him without due process was incorrect.&#160; Illegal, even.&#160; I saw Judge&#160;Doumar speak on the subject&#160;while in school, and respect his position and reasoning.&#160; Hamdi, for your reference, is now living in Saudi Arabia having renounced his US citizenship.</p>
<p>But the men in Guantanamo are not entitled to representation in our civilian courts, and they are not worthy of their lawyer&#39;s sympathy.&#160; They do in fact deserve a lawyer stupid enough to &quot;drop trou&quot; in front of a live audience.&#160; The thing to keep in mind is that these men were taken in combat against the US, or supporting terrorist efforts against the US, serving no recognized state and wearing no military uniform.</p>
<p>One of the responses to the article was hilariously apt:</p>
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<p>You know what is really “a thousand times more cutting?”</p>
<p>Being beheaded.</p>
<p>Now that’s cutting.</p></div>
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        <title>WHAT ABOUT IRAQI OIL?</title>   
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<p><a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIDGf-IVDuI/AAAAAAAAAkA/Ad8glcj4-fM/s1600-h/iraq_oil_map485.gif"><img alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5224393820305952482" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_XUJQnJBlydc/SIDGf-IVDuI/AAAAAAAAAkA/Ad8glcj4-fM/s400/iraq_oil_map485.gif" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" /></a>The anti-war crowd, mostly on the far left, has railed from the beginning of the war in Iraq that it was all about the oil. They have repeatedly stated that oilmen Bush and Cheney only went to war to get their hands on the oil and enrich themselves and their friends.</p>As is often the case with those on the fringes such claims are not backed by facts but are stated in absence of any evidence or factual proof.<br /><br />Now that the fight there has been greatly diminished and the end of that war is clearly in sight, the same crowd on the far left now complains about the Iraqi&#39;s developing their own resources under their own policies in their own country. Now these goofy politicians want the Bush administration to control, control mind you, how the oil industry in Iraq is operated by dictating to the legally elected Iraqi government how to conduct their domestic business.<br /><br />In the meantime Iraq sits upon the largest known oil reserves on the planet. It would seem to make sense that American politicians would, given the drastic rise in the price of gas at the pump, encourage Iraqis to put greater production and supply on line as soon as possible. And just not for the purpose of increasing supply in our supply and demand driven world of petroleum but also so that Iraq could become a state that would be less dependent on American fiscal support to move forward. Oil at $140 per barrel can enrich a supplier rather rapidly.<br /><br />The following article addresses this subject and identifies the politicians who seek to disrupt and delay this obvious advantage to us, Iraq and the world. Why? Pure self-promoting politics with no interest in regular, everyday working Americans not to mention Iraqis seeking stability and a life without war. <br /><br />Clearly there is no shame among these pols, and not logic either.<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size: x-large"><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 130%">Iraq&#39;s Oil Surge</span></strong><br /><br /></span>Here&#39;s a thought experiment: Assume that Iraq&#39;s democratic government declared it was nationalizing its oil industry, a la Venezuela or Saudi Arabia, while excluding American companies from the country. How do you think U.S. politicians would react? With angry cries of &quot;ingratitude&quot; and &quot;this is what Americans died for&quot;?<br /><br />Of course they would, led no doubt by that critic for all reasons, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York. So it is passing strange that Mr. Schumer and other Senators are now assailing Iraq precisely because it is opening up to foreign oil companies, especially to U.S. majors like Exxon Mobil and Chevron. For some American pols, everything that happens in Iraq is bad news, especially when it&#39;s good news for the U.S.<br /><br />Iraq announced this week that it is inviting global competition to develop its major oil reserves, with 35 oil companies invited to bid. By tapping outside capital and expertise, Iraq hopes to increase production by 60%, providing a much-needed boost to its own coffers and the world&#39;s tight oil supply.<br /><br />This is welcome news. With elections looming later this year and next, the temptation for Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki&#39;s government must have been to play the nationalist card – the way that Mr. Schumer did against Dubai Ports World&#39;s proposed U.S. investment in 2006 (see, for instance, &quot;<a class="times" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114083609194683310.html?mod=Review-Outlook-US"><span style="color: #5588aa">Ports of Gall</span></a>1&quot;). Many Iraqis remain suspicious of outside oil companies – the legacy of a colonial past in which Iraq felt exploited for its oil.<br /><br />Instead, Iraq chose competitive bidding that will bring in the best expertise to exploit its national resource. Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani is predicting that, with outside help, Iraq could become the second or third largest oil-producing country in the world. Today it produces about 2.5 million barrels a day, compared to 11 million for the world-leading Saudis. Foreign companies will be required to have an Iraqi partner, and to hire Iraqis, while most oil revenues will still flow to the Iraqi people.<br /><br />What seems to irk Mr. Schumer – and running mates John Kerry and Missouri&#39;s Claire McCaskill – is Iraq&#39;s decision to sign shorter-term, no-bid service contracts with Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Total and Chevron. Most of these firms had extensive experience in Iraq prior to Saddam Hussein&#39;s nationalization, and were chosen because their knowledge will help Iraq boost near-term production. The contracts will run no more than two years, and all five firms have spent the past three years providing training, analysis and advice to Iraq – free of charge.<br /><br />The Democrats nonetheless stomped their feet in a letter last week to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. They demanded that she intervene to stop the Iraqis &quot;from signing contracts with multinational oil companies until a [national oil law] is in effect in Iraq.&quot; Their complaint is that a hydrocarbon law is one of the Bush Administration&#39;s &quot;benchmarks for reconciliation&quot; in Iraq, and that these oil contracts would only &quot;further deepen political tension in Iraq and put our service members in even greater danger.&quot; They also griped that the five firms would get an &quot;insider&#39;s advantage&quot; to later oil bidding.<br /><br />Also piling on is House baron Henry Waxman, who is upset with a separate contract that the Kurdistan Regional Government has signed with Texas&#39;s Hunt Oil. Mr. Waxman thinks the Bush Administration didn&#39;t do enough to stop the deal. Then again, this is old news, as the contract was signed last year. And while the Baghdad central government wasn&#39;t pleased the Kurds had moved on a contract without national approval, the deal hasn&#39;t impeded Iraq&#39;s broader progress.<br /><br />We doubt French politicians are objecting to Total&#39;s contract, but American Democrats are so blinkered about Iraq that they now object even to U.S. companies getting business on the merits. The hydrocarbon law would help to clarify revenue-sharing between Baghdad and Iraq&#39;s outlying provinces. But even without that law, oil revenues are already flowing throughout the country, including to Sunni-majority areas.<br /><br />The faster and more efficiently the oil deposits are developed, the more revenue there will be to distribute. And the faster Iraq will be able to rebuild on its own – which is what Democrats say they want. Meanwhile, by inviting foreign partners, Iraq is avoiding the trap of nationalization that has harmed so many countries. It concentrates political power, undermining democracy. National oil companies also tend to under invest in technology, letting harder-to-exploit oil become a wasting asset.<br /><br />What the U.S. should promote in Iraq is some kind of oil trust, or stock or revenue dispersal, that would give individual Iraqis a share of their oil wealth. This would be both a tool to build national unity and to prevent any one political group from dominating Iraq&#39;s main revenue source. If Mr. Schumer wants to help on that score, he might do some good.<br /><br /><em>URL for this article:</em><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121520981642729359.html" style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helv, Helvetica"><em><span style="color: #5588aa">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121520981642729359.html</span></em></a><br /><em>Copyright 2008 Dow Jones &amp; Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved</em></p></div>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>The Empire that never thinks</title>   
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 <div>Friends we are watching the last gasp of the dollar and rising from the flames comes the Euro.<br /><br />The American Empire is crumbling. Europe will rise again.<br /><br />Let me say that again. The American Empire is crumbling.<br /><br />Before you think I have lost my mind let me re-assure you that I am not going to start into a long rant about the despots and the injustice of American hegemony. Why would I?<br /><br />&#160;Mostly the American influence on the world has been benign. In fact I would say that it has been a positive boon for and we must never forget that fact, but the stark reality is that like all good things it must come to an end and we are watching the demise of the empire that never thinks.<br /><br /><br />The basic facts are these: <br />Empires are built on a combination of fear and greed<br />Each goes through a stage of expansion, consolidation, over reach and collapse<br />The ability to engage and manage an empire depends ultimately on the aquiescence of the subject peoples.<br />There will be mistakes made in every empire that are genocidal in nature but ultimately of little consequence to the stability and longevity of the regime.<br />Changes in leadership can distort and and destroy the outer fringes much more rapidly than they can the centre.<br />The end of Empire is not usually swift and calamitous for the centre but it can cause huge destruction and disruption for the periphery.<br /><br />All right so now that is laid out let me explain why I say what I say.<br /><br />I can tell you how if you like, but the reason why is so complex that
historians will debate about if for ten thousand years. I can tell you
with certainty that not one of us has a clue about what makes empires
ebb and flow. At least not in our lifetimes. We are too close and it is
too complex but we can see how they fold in and consume themselves.<br /><br />It is simple really. America has lost the faith of its closest allies and must resort to bullying and coersion to achieve its ends. <br /><br />The most common, and dangerous chatter is about how America is root of all evil. Almost everyone outside the states loves to watch as the Pentagon and White House wriggle and squirm as they try to extract some degree of good PR from each and every change on the international landscape. Even Britain, stalwart ally of the USA since the day she allowed them independence by protecting their shipping in the times of slavery, has a majority that loves to smirk as America confidence is picked apart by a paranoid administration. <br /><br />I know there is a media fixation with conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran and N Korea but they are really small elements in the mix. The major sore that has never, and will never, be tackled is Israel. Until they acknowledge the fact that using Israel as a permanent battle cruiser in heart of Muslim Arabia is a flawed policy the American Empire can never achieve a period of equilibrium. <br /><br />But let&#39;s be honest here, there has never been a nation that engaged in any altruistic endeavours, once again with the exception of the British Empire in the late 1800&#39;s. <br /><br />Take aside the rights and wrongs of the Israeli issue, of which there are many, and consider this: <br />Any occupation - no matter if it is justified in ancient texts or otherwise - will cause resentment from the indigenous populous. Add to that the ancient tribal mindset and the very modern obsession with oil and you have a permanently smouldering powder keg that will never be extingushed. If you then add in an implacable religious opposition and the continued support of despotic regimes like the Al Sauds and you have managed to create a permanent enemy who need never have been.<br /><br />That is simply bad management. A real empire would never do that. It is elementary and foolish in the extreme. But then America has been deluding itself for a long time and claims to have no Imperial ambitions.<span style="font-family: -editor-proxy"> What horseshit. Of course they have!</span> If they didn&#39;t why would the be worried? No empire means no enemies and no enemies means no worries. Don&#39;t believe me? Ask the Swiss.<br /><br />The American Empire a Jungian dream (pun intended). A entire nation exhibit classic symptoms of denial. <br /><br />American citizens would be horrified if they thought that they were Imperial storm troopers but then they are horrified if someone points out that their beloved TV evangelists as charlatans and crooks. You see the problem is that American citizens are from all parts of the world and none. They are refugees - the poor the tired, the huddles masses and as a result they feel no allegiance or necessity to engage with anyone outside of their own homes. They have fled from the rest of us and who can blame them when they ignore us?<br /><br />In standard American process, the need for foreign interaction is purely to benefit the dim witted citizens of America and the political elites on the coast. You simply do not see the USA engaged in altrusim. Nor should you. They are powerful, greedy and in command. That is what empire is about and yet America pretends otherwise. That is the way it has always been and pretending to be &quot;the worlds policeman&quot; is simply idiotic. <br /><br />In previous Empires, successful and long lasting ones that is, there has always been a degree of engagement with the occupied countries by the regular citizens of the ruling power. Adopt the ways of the locals, adapt, go native and learn&#160; to manipulate the means for your own ends. If you impose a foreign ideology as well as a foreign burocrasy you are inviting disaster. Edmocrasy is not the answer and why for fucks sake anyone thinks it is is beyond me. You simply can&#39;t bring an entire culture to change overnight. Not even the Romans manged that.<br /><br />On the other hand without engagement at some levels you will be certain of failure as well. Consider Russia and Belgium. <br /><br />Both had overseas possessions which they lost in rapid order because they were too busy grandstanding to make any impression on the locals. Belgium fucked it up when Leopold massacred half of Africa and Russia is still trying to escape from a criminal take over in the mid 1990&#39;s. Neither will be remembered fondly and neither will gain in the long term from their policies in the past and I am afraid that the USA is similarly handicapped.<br /><br />Imposing &quot;democrasy&quot; on foreign lands in order to obtain oil is disingenuous and pointless. Calling your enemies &quot;rogue states&quot; is ascenine to the point of idiocy and pretending that you can have it all and take no responsibility is called being a child, not a president. <br /><br />This is why I say the dollar is over as the international currency.<br /><br />It happened to the pound and it will surely happen again in the next few years.<br /><br />America can&#39;t pay its bills. It can&#39;t maintain its military expenditure and wanton lifestyle. It has run out of friends as surely as it is running out of oil and the power balance is shifting in seismic jolts towards the east.<br /><br />By contrast the Eastern power - Japan - has no inclination to join the world in any meaningful way and as such is neutered. China is corrupt, unbalanced and has little interest in taking responsibility for world markets yet. India is simply too poor so that leaves on place to put your money. One stable and reliable, multi-national, fundamentally politically neutral currency with ample resources and expertise to surplant the Fed.<br /><br />That leaves the Euro.<br /><br />When oil hits $200 a barrel and the interest rates in the US are almost zero and most of all when there is no confidence in the dollar because another plane hits another tower somewhere you will see the Euro smash its way through the barricades and the era of American dominance will be over.<br /><br />Have a nice day, y&#39;all.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></div>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <title>Petition Project</title>   
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        <div>I haven&#39;t checked this out myself to see what it&#39;s all about, but it sounds interesting on the surface... It&#39;s about time we start hearing more about global warming / climate change from people other than Bono and Bill Mahrr. Sorry if this has already been posted. I am way behind on Vox group posts.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /></div><p><a href="http://www.petitionproject.com/">http://www.petitionproject.com/</a> <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder" /></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 20px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,021 PhDs, are not &quot;a few.&quot; Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not “skeptics.”</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 20px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><br /></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 20px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.</span></p></blockquote></p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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        <p>I was listening to <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91425261">NPR</a> today when I heard about a ruling regarding a Guantanamo Bay inmate. The court r<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7470405.stm">uled in his favor</a>. </p><p>Parhad is being held because the military designated him a Chinese terrorist, and an enemy combatant. He was captured in Afghanistan and accused of being connected to al-Qaeda. He is part of a group called Uighurs (WEE-gurs), a group of Chinese Muslims who want part of the China to become an independent state. When he was designated an enemy combatant, under Bush&#39;s anti-terrorist laws, this man had no lawyer, no witnesses, and no knowledge of the charges against him. After this designation was assigned, he was held in prison for 6 years. He is still in prison, in solitary confinement. His lawyers argued the group is anti-communist and sympathetic to the United States. </p><p>The panel that recently heard his case ruled unanimously that he was being held unfairly.</p><p>I tried to think of a comparison to help people understand this grossly unjust situation.</p><p>Think of a group of people from Nebraska who wanted to spread the good news of the Gospel, much as this man and his group wanted to spread the good news of getting out from communist China, and this group of missionaries goes to Tibet to receive training and spread the good news along the way. The Chinese military captures these missionaries, charges them with being terrorists, and holds them in prison for years, without any real trial, in a prison known for torturing people. For six years.</p><p>That&#39;s how unjust I think this situation is.</p><p>NPR reported the panel was talking about where to release this man, once he is released. He cannot go back to China because he would be persecuted for his beliefs and politics. Albania and Sweden are the only two possible countries willing to take him. They could also release him into the U.S.</p><p>Would that be good? How would I react if I&#39;d been held in a Chinese prison for years, mistreated, and then released? Would I like the country? The people? Or would I want to retaliate, after years of unjust, brutal treatment? I&#39;d probably want to retaliate, maybe inspire some of the same terror I had endured at the hands of the Chinese in prison in the people associated with my captors.</p><p>If they release this man into the U.S., Parhad could become a terrorist against the U.S. With good reason. This is a microcosm of what the U.S. has done internationally. We have put entire countries in prison, held them captive, put in our own awful leaders and left the people poor and powerless, the nation in shambles. And then we wonder why people from these countries attack us. Iran. Iraq. Etc. Pretty soon Latin American countries we have interfered with will be sprouting terrorists.</p><p>Whatever happened to peace and justice and forgiveness? Whatever happened to sharing what you have with those who have less? Whatever happened to giving up one&#39;s own ego for the greater good? </p><p>Sometimes I wonder if the leaders of the U.S. ever had these principles at their core.</p><p><br /> </p>   <p style="clear:both;"> 
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